what does it take to be counted as a 'good' pvp guild? - Guild Wars Forums

Tarn Blackhail · Mar 07, 2008, 02:12 PM // 14:12

ive seen tons of guilds in TA, HA, RA, Ect. throwing up their guild advertisments and saying their guild stats and such, but im just curious, if youre looking to start a pvp guild, or have started and are currently trying to improve it, what are some things that make a good pvp guild. ive heard many different oppinions from ingame talk, but i figure id put this out there and see what results i get... is it faction points? is it members themselves and whatever rank they are? if someone knows, chime in... thanks.

Trub · Mar 07, 2008, 02:31 PM // 14:31

When they can say they have a solid core group of players...it's all good.

Dallcingi · Mar 14, 2008, 12:40 AM // 00:40

top 100 are good
top 20ish should be the best.
some good inactive guilds are out there though

Allanon754 · Mar 14, 2008, 01:44 AM // 01:44

I'd agree with Trub. A good core group of players who are at least in the top 1000, but normally under 200 is considered "good." With all the gimmicks in TA, HA, etc. it seems that only a high ranking GvG guild is considered a good PvP guild... however that may just be my opinion.

Div · Mar 14, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

To have a group of players that don't suck and want to get better.

Tarn Blackhail · Mar 15, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

well true, a good group of players constitutes a good guild, but as far as pointage goes. what are the grounds for recruiting members into a pvp guild? what is the community standard, such as total balth. pts accumulated, or whut?...

Div · Mar 16, 2008, 12:45 AM // 00:45

Depends on your guild. If you're a top 10-20 guild, you won't be recruiting based on silly things like community standards. If you're a top 100, you'd be looking for champ2/3+ or 2/3 mil balth+. Guilds that want to be top 100 but aren't there yet will look for any champ1+. Guilds around the 300-1000 range look for people around r6+ or 1 mil balth+.

HA guilds vary from r3+ to r10+ depending how much they can hold halls. Some are invite-only and not based on rank.

Serious TA guilds can recruit up to r8glad+ but there are also more casual ones that just require r1/2+

The question simply doesn't make sense because the range of guilds is so big so there's a huge range difference of reqs. Plus, anyone can start a guild and ask for only champ5+ r12+ players, but that doesn't mean the guild's any good.

Tarn Blackhail · Mar 16, 2008, 05:10 PM // 17:10

so in the end, it just depends on the group of players, how well they work together, and how determined and capable they are of being the best, or one of the best...?

llsektorll · Mar 16, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

Being able to tell whether a build is good at pve or pvp takes experience. Experience on what you are facing, the machanic/strategy of game play required, but most of all what your team members will be able to turn.

It can't come to you by reading this article... you'd just have to have played long enough to understand.

Tarn Blackhail · Mar 16, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16

aye that makes sence. anyone can say they are good, but if they cannot look at a build and make one skill work for the next, and so on and so fourth, they probably dont know much. although you have a good point, knowing how to create great builds, and being able to use them is two different things. granted not many people have a problem with it, there are some people who can be given a build, have it explained to them and fully understand it, yet still jack it up... but maybe that has to do with the players' style. if you are a supportive player, an agressive build such as an assassin wouldnt work well for you. and if you are used to fast paced assaulting gamestyle such as that of the assasin or warrior or touch ranger, ect... then playing a monk might be alot more uncomfortable to you. i might be totally wrong, but i find that if i go from playing one class in pvp, then switching to somthing totally opposite, it takes a minute to get used to...

Mr Fizzle · Apr 02, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

Know this thread is a little on the old side,but what makes a good guild is a balance between the team itself if there's 6 good players and 2 bad players the guild is going to be held back to its full limit.

So in my opinion a good guild is 8 players that work well together.

-Fizzle fo shizzle

Zahr Dalsk · Apr 03, 2008, 12:01 AM // 00:01

If you have a solid group of players who can play well and can rely on each other, then I'd consider you a good guild.

llsektorll · Apr 03, 2008, 12:21 AM // 00:21

What does it take to be counted as 'good' pvp guild?

HA - Winning Halls often as a guild
GvG - obviously ladder rank

even though you may be a good guild if you don't prove it you can't be considered a pvp guild.

dies like fish · Apr 03, 2008, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Good PvP guilds win. The better you are, the more you win.

yakuza · Apr 03, 2008, 07:14 PM // 19:14

good pvp guild...hmmm.....yeah prolly just a core team of players that work as one...not a lot of guilds that appear to be acting a a watermelon being placed on an anvile and smashed with a sledgehammer

Randvek · Apr 03, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Good PvP guild? How about one that isn't constantly falling apart due to drama. That's my definition of good.

IslandHermet · Apr 04, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

Teamwork is number 1

no drama (drama can kill a guild)

friendly mature players

a very limited number of a..holes and jacka..es if none at all

a wise diverse group of officers and the leader. people that make the builds and work on builds and tactics, a advanced know how of the game mechanics.

The ability to read your team without them telling you or asking.

The ability to win and lose without rage quitting or talking more trash then a navy sailor.

as for the ladder hmm.... this one is iffy so many guilds on the ladder that are inactive and falling apart.

A helpful list of officers (specialist are always good but you do want more helpful officers than specialist)

A specialist can be people who only specialize in a limited number of tasks when playing, like GvG only, or HB only or HA only or RA and TAers.

A good way of keeping all the guildies excited about loging on each day (hold events/partys small tournements with prizes and other fun stuff)

Ganks · Apr 06, 2008, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by llsektorll

What does it take to be counted as 'good' pvp guild?

HA - Winning Halls often as a guild
GvG - obviously ladder rank

even though you may be a good guild if you don't prove it you can't be considered a pvp guild.

/me slap

Let's start a flame war!

Do you really think it takes rank to be considered good? All rank says is that you got too much time on your hands. How many of those R9+ noobs got their rank from IWAY or SWAY? Probably ALL of them. No one is unique anymore. No one tries anything. People get booted if your build doesn't look EXACTLY like wiki does, and no one bothers to say a word about discussion or strategy. If you WANT to be unique, there is no place for you here. If you have skill, and are unique, you will NEVER get the groups to get that much rank in anything.

There are NO "good" PvP guilds. Period. Anyone who IS good is so hyped up and nazi that they are terribly impossible to play with, but I suppose you would have to be, considering guild wars is full of so many brainless people who absolutely don't have any clue at all...

I have another question for you nubs; how many of you played UO in a war guild? The answer is probably something around like 1 or 2 of you, maybe, if that. I'd put money on it. Heck, I'd put my next paycheck on it. As for me, I was a member of B^G, and would "PvP" at bucs den daily. Not one of you could survive bucs den. THAT WAS SKILL, THIS IS NOT. I'm also willing to bet that the "Good PvP Guilds" knew that, because that's probably why most of them don't play guild wars anymore.

llsektorll · Apr 06, 2008, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ganks

/me slap

Let's start a flame war!

Do you really think it takes rank to be considered good? All rank says is that you got too much time on your hands. How many of those R9+ noobs got their rank from IWAY or SWAY? Probably ALL of them. No one is unique anymore. No one tries anything. People get booted if your build doesn't look EXACTLY like wiki does, and no one bothers to say a word about discussion or strategy. If you WANT to be unique, there is no place for you here. If you have skill, and are unique, you will NEVER get the groups to get that much rank in anything.

There are NO "good" PvP guilds. Period. Anyone who IS good is so hyped up and nazi that they are terribly impossible to play with, but I suppose you would have to be, considering guild wars is full of so many brainless people who absolutely don't have any clue at all...

I have another question for you nubs; how many of you played UO in a war guild? The answer is probably something around like 1 or 2 of you, maybe, if that. I'd put money on it. Heck, I'd put my next paycheck on it. As for me, I was a member of B^G, and would "PvP" at bucs den daily. Not one of you could survive bucs den. THAT WAS SKILL, THIS IS NOT. I'm also willing to bet that the "Good PvP Guilds" knew that, because that's probably why most of them don't play guild wars anymore.

Can you read or does your ego block that as well? I mentioned nothing about rank. I mentioned actually winning halls. I know rank is farmed now and it was the case for a long time. Most r9-11 got r9 through Iway.

What exactly do you mean by UO? If you are questioning my experience, I would like to note that I have gvged top 40-60 for all of 2006. After that I had less time to commit because of work. Don't go around calling people nub, it only makes you seem nub. As for your opening statement, it seems like you are the one trying to start a flame war.

Div · Apr 08, 2008, 08:57 PM // 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ganks

I have another question for you nubs; how many of you played UO in a war guild? The answer is probably something around like 1 or 2 of you, maybe, if that. I'd put money on it. Heck, I'd put my next paycheck on it. As for me, I was a member of B^G, and would "PvP" at bucs den daily. Not one of you could survive bucs den. THAT WAS SKILL, THIS IS NOT. I'm also willing to bet that the "Good PvP Guilds" knew that, because that's probably why most of them don't play guild wars anymore.

Because no one gives a shit about UO. It's all about CS.

P.S. Reported lol

Mar 07, 2008, 02:12 PM // 14:12	#1
Tarn Blackhail Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: W/Mo	what does it take to be counted as a 'good' pvp guild? ive seen tons of guilds in TA, HA, RA, Ect. throwing up their guild advertisments and saying their guild stats and such, but im just curious, if youre looking to start a pvp guild, or have started and are currently trying to improve it, what are some things that make a good pvp guild. ive heard many different oppinions from ingame talk, but i figure id put this out there and see what results i get... is it faction points? is it members themselves and whatever rank they are? if someone knows, chime in... thanks.

Apr 03, 2008, 12:21 AM // 00:21	#13
llsektorll Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Profession: R/	What does it take to be counted as 'good' pvp guild? HA - Winning Halls often as a guild GvG - obviously ladder rank even though you may be a good guild if you don't prove it you can't be considered a pvp guild. Last edited by llsektorll; Apr 03, 2008 at 12:24 AM // 00:24..

Mar 07, 2008, 02:31 PM // 14:31	#2
Trub Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic. Guild: Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]	When they can say they have a solid core group of players...it's all good.

Mar 14, 2008, 12:40 AM // 00:40	#3
Dallcingi Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Guild: The Black Parades [死人死] Profession: Mo/	top 100 are good top 20ish should be the best. some good inactive guilds are out there though

Mar 14, 2008, 01:44 AM // 01:44	#4
Allanon754 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Rochester, NY Guild: Kings Beyond the Wall [KING] Profession: Mo/	I'd agree with Trub. A good core group of players who are at least in the top 1000, but normally under 200 is considered "good." With all the gimmicks in TA, HA, etc. it seems that only a high ranking GvG guild is considered a good PvP guild... however that may just be my opinion.

Mar 14, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37	#5
Div I like yumy food! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Where I can eat yumy food Guild: Dead Alley [dR] Profession: Mo/R	To have a group of players that don't suck and want to get better.

Mar 15, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59	#6
Tarn Blackhail Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: W/Mo	well true, a good group of players constitutes a good guild, but as far as pointage goes. what are the grounds for recruiting members into a pvp guild? what is the community standard, such as total balth. pts accumulated, or whut?...

Mar 16, 2008, 12:45 AM // 00:45	#7
Div I like yumy food! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Where I can eat yumy food Guild: Dead Alley [dR] Profession: Mo/R	Depends on your guild. If you're a top 10-20 guild, you won't be recruiting based on silly things like community standards. If you're a top 100, you'd be looking for champ2/3+ or 2/3 mil balth+. Guilds that want to be top 100 but aren't there yet will look for any champ1+. Guilds around the 300-1000 range look for people around r6+ or 1 mil balth+. HA guilds vary from r3+ to r10+ depending how much they can hold halls. Some are invite-only and not based on rank. Serious TA guilds can recruit up to r8glad+ but there are also more casual ones that just require r1/2+ The question simply doesn't make sense because the range of guilds is so big so there's a huge range difference of reqs. Plus, anyone can start a guild and ask for only champ5+ r12+ players, but that doesn't mean the guild's any good.

Mar 16, 2008, 05:10 PM // 17:10	#8
Tarn Blackhail Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: W/Mo	so in the end, it just depends on the group of players, how well they work together, and how determined and capable they are of being the best, or one of the best...?

Mar 16, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09	#9
llsektorll Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Profession: R/	Being able to tell whether a build is good at pve or pvp takes experience. Experience on what you are facing, the machanic/strategy of game play required, but most of all what your team members will be able to turn. It can't come to you by reading this article... you'd just have to have played long enough to understand.

Mar 16, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16	#10
Tarn Blackhail Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: W/Mo	aye that makes sence. anyone can say they are good, but if they cannot look at a build and make one skill work for the next, and so on and so fourth, they probably dont know much. although you have a good point, knowing how to create great builds, and being able to use them is two different things. granted not many people have a problem with it, there are some people who can be given a build, have it explained to them and fully understand it, yet still jack it up... but maybe that has to do with the players' style. if you are a supportive player, an agressive build such as an assassin wouldnt work well for you. and if you are used to fast paced assaulting gamestyle such as that of the assasin or warrior or touch ranger, ect... then playing a monk might be alot more uncomfortable to you. i might be totally wrong, but i find that if i go from playing one class in pvp, then switching to somthing totally opposite, it takes a minute to get used to...

Apr 02, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05	#11
Mr Fizzle Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: W/E	Know this thread is a little on the old side,but what makes a good guild is a balance between the team itself if there's 6 good players and 2 bad players the guild is going to be held back to its full limit. So in my opinion a good guild is 8 players that work well together. -Fizzle fo shizzle

Apr 03, 2008, 12:01 AM // 00:01	#12
Zahr Dalsk Grotto Attendant Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Canada	If you have a solid group of players who can play well and can rely on each other, then I'd consider you a good guild.

Apr 03, 2008, 06:47 PM // 18:47	#14
dies like fish Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: Winter Wonderland [brrr] Profession: W/E	Good PvP guilds win. The better you are, the more you win.

Apr 03, 2008, 07:14 PM // 19:14	#15
yakuza Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2007	good pvp guild...hmmm.....yeah prolly just a core team of players that work as one...not a lot of guilds that appear to be acting a a watermelon being placed on an anvile and smashed with a sledgehammer

Apr 03, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42	#16
Randvek Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006 Guild: Rise From the Ashes [phnx] Profession: W/	Good PvP guild? How about one that isn't constantly falling apart due to drama. That's my definition of good.

Apr 04, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58	#17
IslandHermet Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2007	Teamwork is number 1 no drama (drama can kill a guild) friendly mature players a very limited number of a..holes and jacka..es if none at all a wise diverse group of officers and the leader. people that make the builds and work on builds and tactics, a advanced know how of the game mechanics. The ability to read your team without them telling you or asking. The ability to win and lose without rage quitting or talking more trash then a navy sailor. as for the ladder hmm.... this one is iffy so many guilds on the ladder that are inactive and falling apart. A helpful list of officers (specialist are always good but you do want more helpful officers than specialist) A specialist can be people who only specialize in a limited number of tasks when playing, like GvG only, or HB only or HA only or RA and TAers. A good way of keeping all the guildies excited about loging on each day (hold events/partys small tournements with prizes and other fun stuff)